The 200K deal I didn’t kill, but should have

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Deal KillIn the past several months I’ve been telling people that one of the best deals in points & miles was on its last legs.  If they wanted to get in on it, I advised that they do so right away.  I didn’t write this on the blog.  Instead, I talked about it at meet-ups and frequent flyer seminars such as Frequent Traveler University and TravelCon.

The deal that I didn’t write about on this blog was the ability to fund a new Citi checking account and a savings account, with credit cards, up to $100,000 each.  That meant, combined, a possibility of up to $200,000 in absolutely free manufactured spend.  Some people got away with opening multiple savings accounts for even more free spend.  And, some people signed up for these accounts every year.

Shawn did mention, in passing, the ability to fund Citi accounts in a Quick Deal or two, but I kept it out of the headlines because I didn’t want to hasten its demise.  I now think that was a mistake.

In the post “Necker Island, here we come!” I summarized how I earned 1.2 million Virgin Atlantic miles in 7 months, as follows:

  • 8 Virgin Atlantic credit cards: ~720,000 miles
  • 2 Citibank credit cards + 25% transfer bonus: ~110,000 miles
  • 1 Amex credit card + 30% transfer bonus: ~220,000 miles
  • Other miscellaneous techniques: ~150,000 miles

Note that last bullet: “Other miscellaneous techniques”.  If anyone had cared to click through the hyperlink, they would have found a Quick Deal about the Citigold Checking 50K ThankYou Points Bonus.  Within that Quick Deal, Shawn mentioned “Citi does let you fund your checking account with a Visa or Mastercard up to $100K.”

In my case, I called Bank of America and asked to reallocate credit among all of my BOA credit cards.  I wanted as much credit as possible on a single new Virgin Atlantic card.  The agent I spoke with was able to lower each of my other credit limits to $500 and thereby increase the limit on this one card to over $60,000 (there was no hard pull for this reallocation).  I then opened a CitiGold checking account and funded it with this card.  Unfortunately, for some reason, I couldn’t get BOA to approve a $62K charge, but they did approve $49K.  Since the Virgin Atlantic card earns 1.5 miles per dollar, this resulted in 73,500 miles earned.  About a week later, I used the card again to fund a savings account for the same amount.  I earned 147,000 miles from opening those two accounts.  If you include the card’s 75K signup bonus, the total came to 222,000 easy miles.  I would have done even better if I had funded the two accounts separately with two different new credit cards (to get 2 signup bonuses), but I was worried that the Citibank funding option would soon die, so I didn’t want to wait until I got a new credit card.

Now its dead

I first read about the deal’s demise on this Doctor of Credit post.  Since then it has been confirmed on a number of other blogs and forums.  Citi is no longer allowing credit cards to be used to fund new accounts.  Other banks still allow this (found here), but their limits tend to be far smaller – usually $500 or $1000.  This is nice to do once in a while, but you should watch out for banks that make hard inquiries on your credit report when opening new accounts (details here).  Also, if you open too many new accounts, it won’t look good on your ChexSystems report (details here).

Why I should have reported the deal

When the ability to fund bank accounts with credit cards up to $100,000 hit the headlines of several major blogs, the writing was on the wall.  At that point, the deal was surely on its last legs.  I knew that.  Staying mum was a disservice to my many readers who do not read the other blogs.  If that’s you, I’m sorry.  I should have let you know about this deal before it was too late.

Deals die with or without me

Over the years, there were many deals that I kept off the blog for fear of killing them.  One by one, most have died anyway.  US Bank Buxx, TD Buxx, and Nationwide Buxx cards are good examples.  Buxx cards are prepaid cards intended for teenagers.  The cool thing about them was that it was possible to load them online with a credit card for a very low fee.  I kept these out of the headlines of this blog to try to keep the deal alive.  Maybe it worked to keep them around longer.  Maybe not.  We’ll never know.

On the other hand, I often blog about deals that many wish I’d keep secret.  Recently, for example, I wrote about the ability to get 1.5% to 1.6% cash back when buying Visa gift cards from GiftCards.com.  This made these PIN-enabled cards nearly fee-free.  Soon after my posts, GiftCards.com withdrew from all portals.  Did I kill the deal?  Probably.  Would the deal have died without me?  Probably, but maybe it would have lasted longer.  We’ll never know.

What I’ll write, and what I won’t

A couple of years ago, in the post “Blogging the Line,” I tried to document my policy of what I’ll write about and what I won’t.  I shared these “rules”:

  1. If it crosses my personal line, don’t blog it.
  2. Don’t disclose info given in confidence.
  3. Follow my passion, not the money.
  4. Advertised deals are OK.
  5. Pre-published deals are fair game.
  6. Dying deals are usually OK to publish.
  7. Obfuscate as needed.

I published the GiftCards.com deal because it met the above criteria.  It wasn’t a mistake or a secret loophole, it was an advertised deal.  If it happens again, I’ll publish it again.  I know that many disagree with this approach, but I believe that it is right.  Similarly, when American Express published a press release stating that they had added Rite Aid and Dollar General to their free cash reload network, I wrote about it.  Just like the GiftCards.com offer, it had become an advertised deal.

The ability to fund Citibank accounts with credit cards actually fell into two of the above criteria: It had been heavily “pre-published” (rule 5) and I recognized it as a soon to die deal (rule 6).  I should have published it more widely.  If I had, more of my readers would have been able to benefit from it.

In December 2014, a certain toy store starting selling $500 Visa gift cards in-store and they allowed paying with their gift cards.  That was pretty amazing because there are often ways to get many extra points or save lots of money when buying those gift cards.  I had good reason to believe that the deal would soon die (and it did), so I wanted to publish it, but I didn’t want to hasten the demise.  So, I followed rule 7: obfuscate as needed.  I published “An awesome new 5X (and beyond) game. Let’s play…”  In that post, I gave many hints but didn’t directly name the store in question.

What I’ll say, and what I won’t

At frequent flyer events I’m more open with the audience.  In person, I often discuss opportunities that I withhold from the blog.  These tend to be loopholes that are likely to die if widely published.  That said, I always follow rule 2: even in person, I won’t disclose info that was given to me under the condition that it be kept secret.

You can always find my speaking schedule here: Frequent Miler’s Event Schedule.  My next speaking engagement will be at Frequent Traveler University in Las Vegas.  The Manufactured Spending add-on is full, but general session tickets are still available.  I will be speaking at both events.  And, believe it or not, there are still many cool secrets worth sharing.

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FliesAlot

I’ve been saying for years (see some past comments on this blog!) that these blogs are killing the promotions. Most of the companies that offer these bonuses know a few people will abuse it and they figure that in. When the abuses become widespread they have to kill them. Giving things away on a large scale is a bad way to do (and stay in) business.

To quote Adam Sandler’s character from Just Go With It: “Rich people don’t give away free vacations. That’s how they remain rich.”

Tom

Hypocritical of you to write posts that I have seen in the past bestowing how you’re more ethical than other bloggers and then keep a very lucrative method secret to not jeopardize your Necker Island trip. Disappointing.

in4tar

I do appreciate your blog – it’s on my list of several travel and points/miles-related blogs that I read regularly. I also appreciate the delicate balance between wanting to give your readers information and not wanting to kill the deal. Yet I would hope that in the future – when and if such dilemma appears – you would rather choose giving the information. Having read all the comments above, I can agree with many pros and cons. Still…that’s what faithful readers expect from the bloggers – honesty, and full disclosure, not hiding something for the fear of killing it.
Speaking of killing it – why are you so sure it’s the bloggers who have done it and not those who have “pumped the deal to the max and beyond”?

Nick

I, for one, appreciate what you do and how you do it. I’m one of the casual “hobbyists” to which you refer above. Yours is the only blog to which I subscribe, as I have a full-time job and can’t be chasing down every single deal. So I guess when some monumental opportunity comes about, sure, I’d selfishly appreciate you blogging about it because I’m likely to miss out otherwise. That said, I also understand that I won’t get in on every deal. I just don’t have time.

So yeah, in sum I think you take a very fair and balanced approach to deals, and I wish you luck going forward. IMO, the real value in your blog lies in shepherding along newbies and casual (but passionate) users like me — not in breaking every single piece of news. Heck, today’s blog post has already helped me out a great deal, as I’m about to apply for IHG cards for both my wife and I. We did the “Priceless Surprises” deal (also thanks to your blog) and had no idea the IHG card also offered a free night every year at ANY property in addition to a huge sign-up bonus. We frequently travel to Asia, and it’ll be great to get a couple free nights at an Intercontinental every year. Very cool.

Samuel Orris

I don’t understand this. Why these problem happend ?

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John

Lately it seems like you’re patting yourself on the back a lot. Ironic. You should be criticizing yourself more than ever. Your blog barely resembles what it used to be.

Justin

Count me into the fold that appreciates the time and effort you put into this blog, Greg. I, too, have found great deals due to your prior research and sincerely appreciate all you do for us. You can’t be all things to all people.

Keep up the great work!

HikerT

The mental gymnastics you’ve gone thru above to rationalize why you should have killed this deal is alarming but can’t say surprising. Greg, just be honest with yourself about why you are blogging, speaking at seminars, etc. In particular the “Follow my passion, not the money.” bullet point. MS is a passion for many of us but most of us do not feel compelled to blog about it, much less post in public forums any more. I doubt it’s really your passion to blog when you start outsourcing. It’s a business. You continue to blog because you make a living from it. I lost respect for the bloggers that first sold out for the money, but in hindsight they were just the first to be honest with themselves about their motivations for blogging and in some respects did MS a big favor by re-focusing their content.

mbh

I enjoy your blog and respect your guidelines, but I propose that it’s not the blog which kills these deals, it’s the irresponsible and greedy abusers of the opportunities (you included). 100k on cc for a single bank account?!! Could you BE any more “hey, hey, look at ME and what I did!!”?

If people would show a little restraint, these deals would last forever and we could all use them indefinitely. I get mad every time a blogger OR commenter brags about maxing out a deal. That’s when I know it will die.

Tazz

You hit a sensitive nerve. I know of another blogger who vets on members to join upper levels in his board. He allows newbies to be shamed if they ask “stupid” questions regarding gigs. He is supposedly a strong advocate of “MS stewardship” but when gigs like this come, he’s the first one to say he’ll put in $50000 initial deposit one for him, another for his wife. All because he can! Is that responsible MSing? He’s mad at those calling the FIs yet he doesn’t see he is also contributing to killing of the gig(s) just because he and his minions are taking advantage. If this isn’t hypocrisy, I don’t know what to call it {rolleyes}.

Greg I have followed your blog for a long time now. Just do what you do best. Thanks!

Eric

Which toy store was it that allowed Visa gc to be purchased with store gc?

Dave

Toys ‘r us and it was any G/C they sold. I used to buy their cards at a discount and upgrade to EBay and gas cards. I didn’t bother with Visa and MC since I could get a bigger discount doing the same thing at Sears. BTW, the merchants figured out on their own that they were losing money. MS bloggers were late to that game, following the resale and deal crowd.

Shogo

I trust in your approach and your personal philosophies, Greg. Keep doing your thing.

Stannis

MMS is the embodiment of all the things people hate about bloggers – hardly any original content, circles and arrows, pimping credit cards constantly, etc.

This blog is the exact opposite and I agree with your guidelines. I rely on your Quick Deals for fast notification of limited-time deals and it has saved me money several times.

Vishwas

I am sorry I have noob question. You talk about “Transfer Bonus” in your Necker Island post. What exactly is that? I will be happy even if you point to a link and I can read it.