Capital One Miles Sweet Spots

Capital One long had a fixed-value rewards program that did not offer the kind of opportunities for outsized value that one can find in transferable points programs. However, that changed with the introduction of transfer partners in late 2018. These days, Capital One “Miles” (earned via the Capital One® Venture® Rewards Credit Card or Capital One Spark Miles for Business card) have many valuable uses in addition to the traditional ability to use Capital One miles to offset travel purchases.

One potential area for confusion is that Capital One does not offer 1:1 transfer rates. Worse yet, not all partners transfer at the same ratio. However, most partners offer a transfer ratio of 2 Capital One “Miles” to 1.5 airline miles. In this Capital One sweet spots guide, we only list airlines with the more favorable 2:1.5 ratio (with one exception noted under the “Hawaii” section). Additionally, we have added the number of Capital One “Miles” necessary for each sweet spot in parenthesis after the mileage price charged by the airline to give you an idea as to how many Capital One “Miles” you’d need to transfer to book the award (though note that in most cases you will need to transfer in increments of 1K Capital One “Miles”).

Hotels

Through at least the end of January 2020, Capital One offers Venture card holders the ability to earn 10x on hotel bookings made at Hotels.com/Venture. Stacked with an effective 10% back from Hotels.com in the form of Welcome Rewards (the Hotels.com loyalty program), that could make for a very competitive rate of return on hotel booking. On the redemption side, Capital One “Miles” can be used to offset travel purchases at a rate of $0.01 per “Mile”. There are no hotel transfer partners.

Transfer Bonuses

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Before examining the mileage rates shown below, it is worth noting that Capital One began introducing transfer bonuses almost immediately with the introduction of transfer partners. They have run four transfer bonuses so far this year and have indicated that they intend to continue offering those bonuses into the future, so you may be able to get an even better deal in terms of the number of Capital One “Miles” necessary for the flights below if you’re able to time your booking with a transfer bonus.

Capital One “Miles” post to your Capital One account quickly

Another thing worth mentioning here is the speed with which Capital One “Miles” post to your Capital One account. In most cases, Capital One “Miles” post to your Capital One account within 2-3 days after a pending transaction is charged. This means you do not need to wait for your statement date to receive and use your miles, so it is easy to put together the miles necessary to top off an account quite quickly with Capital One.

Domestic US Flights

Avianca has become a personal favorite for United flights within region (or even sometimes between regions since pricing can sometimes be better than the award chart suggests) and is the standout value for domestic US flights with Capital One. Air France often offers much better deals on Delta than Delta does itself and Qantas can be great for short itineraries.

Air France KLM Flying Blue 
  • The short story: Flying Blue often offers Delta flights for many fewer miles than Delta would charge for the same itineraries.
  • Miles required: Varies, but as low as 12,500 miles (16,667 Capital One) each way plus $5.60 for direct domestic US flights on Delta (which can be an even better deal when there is a transfer bonus)
  • How to find awards: Search for available space at airfrance.us.
  • How to book awards: Book online at airfrance.us.
  • Key warnings: Delta usually blocks award space from partners within 21 days of departure. If you see award space on the Air France site for close-in departures, it would be wise to call Flying Blue to verify that you can put the award on hold before transferring points.
Avianca LifeMiles
  • The short story: Avianca LifeMiles offers domestic one-ways on United (with connections) from 7500 miles (10,000 Capital One) each way by the award chart, with select itineraries pricing even cheaper (as low as 3500 miles one-way). Mixed-cabin redemptions can also be a way to fly up front for less.
  • Miles required: From 7500 miles (10,000 Capital One) each way within one of the three US regions in economy class (See: My first LifeMiles redemption: Easy as . . .  and Avianca LifeMiles’ awesome mixed-cabin award pricing: First class for less). Note that select itineraries cost even less.
  • How to find awards: Search for available space at LifeMiles.com (you’ll need to create a free Avianca LifeMiles frequent flyer account)
  • How to book awards: Book online at LifeMiles.com. Can also book via email. Phone bookings are known to be a hassle but also possible.
  • Key warnings: Availability at LifeMiles.com does not always match what you’ll find at United.com. Phone agents generally do not see better availability than what is shown at LifeMiles.com. Always check the LifeMiles site before transferring points. Keep in mind that the mandatory $25 booking fee (added to all bookings) is the same whether one-way or round trip, so book round trip to save.
Qantas Frequent Flyer
  • The short story: Qantas offers a distance-based award chart that can be useful for short itineraries on American Airlines (even those with connections) with no close-in booking fee. Qantas often shows many more available AA itinerary options than British Airways or Iberia. See: Strenghts of Qantas for AA redemptions.
  • Miles required: From 8K miles (10,667 Capital One) each way plus $5.60 for economy-class routes covering up to 600 miles flown or 12K miles (16K Capital One) for routes between 601-1200 miles flown. Qantas is a new Amex transfer partner in 2019, but they are already offering a transfer bonus and it may stack with Qantas’s own bonus.
  • How to find awards: Search for available space at qantas.com.
  • How to book awards: Book online at qantas.com.
  • Key warnings: The change fee is 5K miles or cancellation fee is 6K miles, which means you’ll lose most of the miles used on these short flights if you need to change or cancel.

Hawaii

While saver business class awards to Hawaii can be difficult to find (and even rarer in lie-flat seats), United and Alaska tend to have more saver availability than the competition. That’s why we’re including Singapore KrisFlyer here despite its poor transfer ratio. This is the only place in this guide where we have included an airline with the 2:1 transfer ratio when transferring Capital One “Miles” to airline miles (meaning that 2 Capital One “Miles” will get you 1 KrisFlyer mile). This one is probably only worth it if you’re able to use 11.5K-12.5K to fly on Alaska Airlines, otherwise you may be better off using Avianca for United given the better transfer ratio.

Singapore KrisFlyer
  • The short story: Singapore KrisFlyer charges fewer miles for domestic flights to Hawaii than United does for the same flights. Additionally, they have a great chart for Alaska Airlines for those originating in parts of the US other than the East Coast.
  • Miles required: For United flights: 17,500 miles (35K Capital One) each way in economy or 34,500 miles (69K Capital One) in business (as compared to 22.5K / 40K through United). On Alaska Airlines, from 11.5K one-way (23K Capital One) in economy class.
  • How to find awards: Search for available United Airlines space at United.com (Note: Do not log in — logging in may show you expanded availability based on your credit card or elite status that is not available for partner bookings) or SingaporeAir.com (See: Book United flights online with Singapore miles– but note that business class prices have increased since that post was written). For Alaska Airlines award space, search at AA.com
  • How to book awards: Book online at SingaporeAir.com or over the phone with Singapore KrisFlyer. Alaska awards must be booked over the phone.
  • Key warnings: Singapore allows a maximum connection time of 4 hours on a domestic itinerary and will not allow a stopover on a one-way domestic award. Be aware that United.com and AA.com will show availability for flights with longer/overnight connections that are not available with Singapore KrisFlyer miles, so be sure to double check availability at SingaporeAir.com or with a phone agent before booking. Also note that transfers to Singapore KrisFlyer are not instant. Transfers typically take 12-24 hours (from all major transferable currencies) and Singapore does not hold award tickets.

Europe

The absolute standout value here is Etihad Guest for booking Royal Air Maroc (44K each way in business class). However, Air France’s monthly promo awards can also offer nice values particularly if they line up with a transfer bonus.

Air France / KLM Flying Blue
  • The short story: Monthly Flying Blue Promo Awards can sometimes offer excellent value between the US and Europe
  • Miles required: Varies. Air France no longer has an award chart, but promo awards often offer good value, with business class awards often available in the 40K’s (~50K’s Capital One) and sometimes as low as the 20K’s (from high 20K’s Capital One) depending on destination.
  • How to find awards: Search for available space at AirFrance.us (you’ll need to create a free Flying Blue frequent flyer account to search)
  • How to book awards: Book online at AirFrance.com. Can also book via phone.
  • Key warnings: Air France / KLM do add fuel surcharges, though they are often reasonable (about $150-$250 in taxes and fees each way)
Air Canada Aeroplan
  • The short story: Aeroplan offers competitive pricing on Star Alliance business class awards and the best deal on first class awards to and from Europe at 70K each way. They also offer stopovers on round trip awards, which can present particular value. Lap infants are charged incredibly reasonable fees in either cash or miles and the price is the same whether booking one way or round trip.
  • Miles required: 55K miles (66,667 Capital One) each way in business class or 70K (93,333 Capital One) each way in first class. Fuel surcharges are passed on, so choose carriers with low / no fuel surcharges.
  • How to find awards: Search for available space at Aeroplan.com (you’ll need to create a free Aeroplan frequent flyer account to search)
  • How to book awards: Book online at Aeroplan.com. Can also book via phone. Lap infants must be added to your reservation over the phone.
  • Key warnings: There are high fuel surcharges on Lufthansa, but the relative savings in terms of miles used for first class might mitigate the fees.
  • No fuel surcharges on: Aegean, Air China, Air India, Air New Zealand, Avianca, Brussels Airlines, COPA, Croatia Airlines, EVA Airlines, Egypt Air, Ethiopian, GOL, Juneao Airlines, SAS, SWISS, Shenzhen Airlines, Singapore Airlines, South African Airways, Turkish Airlines, United Airlines
  • Low fuel surcharges on: Cathay Pacific / Cathay Dragon, LOT Polish, Thai Airways
Avianca LifeMiles
  • The short story: Avianca LifeMiles offers competitive pricing for Star Alliance awards, especially in first class, with no fuel surcharges.
  • Miles required: 63K miles (84K Capital One) each way in business or 87K miles (116K Capital One) each way in first class, no fuel surcharges. Note that there is some variance (See: The secret LifeMiles award chart). Also see: Avianca LifeMiles’ awesome mixed-cabin award pricing: First class for less for ways to fly first class for even fewer miles). In economy class, some routes price from 16.5K miles (22K Capital One) one-way and some mixed-cabin business class itineraries can price from as low as 49K miles (65,333 Capital One). See: Trying to crack  the LifeMiles secret code to Europe.
  • How to find awards: Search for available space at LifeMiles.com (you’ll need to create a free Avianca LifeMiles frequent flyer account)
  • How to book awards: Book online at LifeMiles.com. Can also book via email. Phone bookings are known to be a hassle but also possible.
  • Key warnings: Availability at LifeMiles.com does not always match what you’ll find at United.com. Phone agents generally do not see better availability than what is shown at LifeMiles.com. Always check the LifeMiles site before transferring points. Keep in mind that the mandatory $25 booking fee (added to all bookings) is the same whether one-way or round trip, so book round trip to save.
Etihad Guest
  • The short story: Etihad Guest offers a good value for flying on American Airlines, Brussels Airlines, or Royal Air Maroc between the US and Europe.
  • Miles required: 44K miles (58,667 Capital One) each way in business class on Brussels Airlines or Royal Air Maroc or 50K miles (66,667 Capital One) each way in business class on American Airlines
  • How to find awards: Search for Brussels award space on United.com or American award space on AA.com (you may want to double-check availability at Qantas.com)
  • How to book awards: Call Etihad Guest at 1-877-690-0767.
  • Key warnings: Etihad phone agents have historically had trouble booking partner awards, though the new call center in Serbia appears to be quite competent. If your agent appears to be having trouble, you might want to HUCA (hang up, call again).

Asia

Unless you catch a transfer bonus, flying to Asia is going to cost you north of 100K Capital One “Miles”, but you have plenty of options to get there given the abundance of Star Alliance carriers serving the region.

Qantas
  • The short story: Qantas offers good partner pricing for El Al flights to Israel.
  • Miles required: 78K points (104K Capital One) in business between Tel Aviv and Boston, Newark, and New York JFK. 92K points (122,667 Capital One) in business between Tel Aviv and Chicago, Miami. 104K points (138,667 Capital One) in business between Tel Aviv and Los Angeles or San Francisco. With a transfer bonus, these rates can get better.
  • How to find awards: Search for available space at Qantas.com (you’ll need to create a free Qantas Frequent Flyer account)
  • How to book awards: Book online at Qantas.com.
Air Canada Aeroplan
  • The short story: Aeroplan offers decent pricing for awards to and from Asia, with a decent number of partners on which you’ll pay no or low fuel surcharges. They also offer stopovers on round trip awards, which can present particular value. Lap infants are charged incredibly reasonable fees in either cash or miles and the price is the same whether booking one way or round trip.
  • Miles required: 75K miles (100K Capital One) each way in business class to Asia 1 or the Indian Subcontinent or 77.5K miles (103,333 Capital One) each way to Asia 2 (roughly “Southeast Asia”). Fuel surcharges are passed on, so choose carriers with low / no fuel surcharges.
  • How to find awards: Search for available space at Aeroplan.com (you’ll need to create a free Aeroplan frequent flyer account to search)
  • How to book awards: Book online at Aeroplan.com. Can also book via phone. Lap infants must be added to your reservation over the phone.
  • Key warnings: There are high fuel surcharges on Lufthansa.
  • No fuel surcharges on: Aegean, Air China, Air India, Air New Zealand, Avianca, Brussels Airlines, COPA, Croatia Airlines, EVA Airlines, Egypt Air, Ethiopian, GOL, Juneao Airlines, SAS, SWISS, Shenzhen Airlines, Singapore Airlines, South African Airways, Turkish Airlines, United Airlines
  • Low fuel surcharges on: Cathay Pacific / Cathay Dragon, LOT Polish, Thai Airways
Avianca LifeMiles
  • The short story: Avianca LifeMiles offers decent pricing to Asia with no fuel surcharges. Business class awards may be semi-hackable by finding the right partners and/or adding a long economy class leg.
  • Miles required: From 62.5K miles (83,333 Capital One) each way in business or 75K miles (100K Capital One) each way in first class, no fuel surcharges. Note that there is some variance (See: The secret LifeMiles award chart). Also see: Avianca LifeMiles’ awesome mixed-cabin award pricing: First class for less for ways to fly first class for even fewer miles).
  • How to find awards: Search for available space at LifeMiles.com (you’ll need to create a free Avianca LifeMiles frequent flyer account)
  • How to book awards: Book online at LifeMiles.com. Can also book via email. Phone bookings are known to be a hassle but also possible.
  • Key warnings: Availability at LifeMiles.com does not always match what you’ll find at United.com. Phone agents generally do not see better availability than what is shown at LifeMiles.com. Always check the LifeMiles site before transferring points. Keep in mind that the mandatory $25 booking fee (added to all bookings) is the same whether one-way or round trip, so book round trip to save.

Caribbean / Latin America

Similar to domestic US flights, Avianca LifeMiles and Qantas can offer better value than United and American for the same flights.

Avianca LifeMiles
  • The short story: Avianca LifeMiles offers one-ways on United to the “rest of North America” (i.e. not the US) for 12,500 miles (16,667 Capital One) each way in economy class.
  • Miles required: 12,500 miles (16,667 Capital One) each way in economy class
  • How to find awards: Search for available space at LifeMiles.com (you’ll need to create a free Avianca LifeMiles frequent flyer account)
  • How to book awards: Book online at LifeMiles.com. Can also book via email. Phone bookings are known to be a hassle but also possible.
  • Key warnings: Availability at LifeMiles.com does not always match what you’ll find at United.com. Phone agents generally do not see better availability than what is shown at LifeMiles.com. Always check the LifeMiles site before transferring points. Keep in mind that the mandatory $25 booking fee (added to all bookings) is the same whether one-way or round trip, so book round trip to save.
Qantas
  • The short story: Qantas offers better pricing than American Airlines on itineraries with a distance of 1200 miles or fewer each way and has no close-in booking fee. This could be especially good for short international flights like Miami to Grand Cayman or other points in the Southern US to the Caribbean.
  • Miles required: 8,000 miles (10,667 Capital One) each way for itineraries covering a distance up to 600 miles or 12,000 miles (16,000 Capital One) each way for itineraries covering a distance up to 1200 miles. (See: Strengths of Qantas for AA redemptions).
  • How to find awards: Search for available space at Qantas.com (you’ll need to create a free Qantas Frequent Flyer account)
  • How to book awards: Book online at Qantas.com.
  • Key warnings: Avios, either through British Airways or Iberia, might be a better value if you have direct flights if you have access to points which transfer to Avios. However, for flights with connections, Qantas can be a better deal.

Africa

It’s hard to beat the value of using Etihad Guest for Royal Air Maroc to get to Africa, especially considering the fact that Royal Air Maroc serves many destinations that may be otherwise more difficult to reach on an award ticket. However, if you don’t live near an airport served by Royal Air Maroc, using Air Canada’s Aeroplan to book a Star Alliance award in business class is probably your next best bet.

Etihad Guest
  • The short story: Etihad Guest offers a good value for flying on Royal Air Maroc between the US and any of Royal Air Maroc’s destinations.
  • Miles required: 44K miles (58,667 Capital One) each way in business class for itineraries of 2,001 miles or more
  • How to find awards: Search for award space at RoyalAirMaroc.com. You’ll need to create a free Royal Air Maroc Safar Flyer account to search.
  • How to book awards: Call Etihad Guest at 1-877-690-0767.
  • Key warnings: Etihad phone agents have historically had trouble booking partner awards, though the new call center in Serbia appears to be quite competent. If your agent appears to be having trouble, you might want to HUCA (hang up, call again). A stopover in Casablanca be possible, but note that it will increase taxes. Note also that Etihad Guest does add fuel surcharges. The best way to find the total in taxes & fuel surcharges is to check ITA Matrix.
Air Canada Aeroplan
  • The short story: Aeroplan offers better pricing on Star Alliance business class awards to Africa than United does, though they definitely aren’t the cheapest way to fly business class to Africa. They also offer stopovers on round trip awards, which can present particular value. Lap infants are charged incredibly reasonable fees in either cash or miles and the price is the same whether booking one way or round trip.
  • Miles required: 75K miles (100K Capital One) each way in business class. Fuel surcharges are passed on, so choose carriers with low / no fuel surcharges.
  • How to find awards: Search for available space at Aeroplan.com (you’ll need to create a free Aeroplan frequent flyer account to search)
  • How to book awards: Book online at Aeroplan.com. Can also book via phone. Lap infants must be added to your reservation over the phone.
  • Key warnings: There are high fuel surcharges on Lufthansa, but the relative savings in terms of miles used for first class might mitigate the fees.
  • No fuel surcharges on: Aegean, Air China, Air India, Air New Zealand, Avianca, Brussels Airlines, COPA, Croatia Airlines, EVA Airlines, Egypt Air, Ethiopian, GOL, Juneao Airlines, SAS, SWISS, Shenzhen Airlines, Singapore Airlines, South African Airways, Turkish Airlines, United Airlines
  • Low fuel surcharges on: Cathay Pacific / Cathay Dragon, LOT Polish, Thai Airways

Australia / New Zealand / Oceania

Like flying to Asia, getting to Australia, New Zealand, or Oceania will cost you a lot of Capital One “Miles”, but the payoff could be worth it. While this region is notoriously difficult to reach in premium cabins on award tickets, Air Canada probably has the best availability from North America if you’re willing to route through Vancouver.

Air Canada Aeroplan
  • The short story: Aeroplan offers three advantages here: They offer more premium cabin availability from North America to Australia than most other airlines (check out of Vancouver to find the long-haul segment first); they offer stopovers on round trip awards (which is “temporarily” changing on 9/1/19, so book now); Lap infants are charged incredibly reasonable fees in either cash or miles and the price is the same whether booking one way or round trip.
  • Miles required: 80K miles (106,667 Capital One) each way in business class. Fuel surcharges are passed on, so choose carriers with low / no fuel surcharges.
  • How to find awards: Search for available space at Aeroplan.com (you’ll need to create a free Aeroplan frequent flyer account to search)
  • How to book awards: Book online at Aeroplan.com. Can also book via phone. Lap infants must be added to your reservation over the phone.
  • Key warnings: Fuel surcharges would ordinarily be the warning with Aeroplan, but I think that any carrier you might fly to this region has no / low fuel surcharges. The other key warning is to be sure to search for availability at Aeroplan.com and/or call before transferring miles. Aeroplan has an unpublished maximum permitted mileage (MPM) between any city pair, so be sure your routing is valid for Aeroplan (United shows some itineraries that are not possible with Aeroplan).
  • No fuel surcharges on: Aegean, Air China, Air India, Air New Zealand, Avianca, Brussels Airlines, COPA, Croatia Airlines, EVA Airlines, Egypt Air, Ethiopian, GOL, Juneao Airlines, SAS, SWISS, Shenzhen Airlines, Singapore Airlines, South African Airways, Turkish Airlines, United Airlines
  • Low fuel surcharges on: Cathay Pacific / Cathay Dragon, LOT Polish, Thai Airways
Avianca LifeMiles
  • The short story: Avianca LifeMiles shares the same pricing as Aeroplan for business class awards, but LifeMiles awards may be more “hackable”.
  • Miles required: 80K miles (106,667 Capital One) each way in business class.
  • How to find awards: Search for available space at LifeMiles.com (you’ll need to create a free Avianca LifeMiles frequent flyer account)
  • How to book awards: Book online at LifeMiles.com. Can also book via email. Phone bookings are known to be a hassle but also possible.
  • Key warnings: Availability at LifeMiles.com does not always match what you’ll find at United.com. Phone agents generally do not see better availability than what is shown at LifeMiles.com (though it may be possible to book itineraries via email that are not shown on LifeMiles.com). Note that lap infant tickets appear to be either very difficult to book or perhaps impossible – use Aeroplan if you have a lap infant. Keep in mind that the mandatory $25 booking fee (added to all bookings) is the same whether one-way or round trip, so book round trip to save.
Etihad Guest
  • The short story: Etihad Guest offers flights on American Airlines based on the old American Airlines chart (which itself devalued several years ago).
  • Miles required: 62.5K miles (83,333 Capital One) each way in business class, 72.5K miles (96,667 Capital One) each way in first class
  • How to find awards: Search for Brussels award space on United.com or American award space on AA.com (you may want to double-check availability at Qantas.com)
  • How to book awards: Call Etihad Guest at 1-877-690-0767.
  • Key warnings: Etihad phone agents have historically had trouble booking partner awards, though the new call center in Serbia appears to be quite competent. If your agent appears to be having trouble, you might want to HUCA (hang up, call again). Note that finding saver premium cabin availability on American Airlines is only slightly more likely than getting struck by lightning.
Qantas: for Jetstar
  • The short story: Qantas’s low-cost-carrier Jetstar flies between Hawaii and several Australian cities and can be booked with Qantas points.
  • Miles required: 57,600 miles (76,800 Capital One) one-way in business class from Honolulu to Sydney on Jetstar before September 18, 2019, 61,500 miles (82K Capital One) thereafter.
  • How to find awards: Search for available space at Qantas.com (you’ll need to create a free Qantas Frequent Flyer account)
  • How to book awards: Book online at Qantas.com.
  • Key warnings: Jetstar flights can be quite cheap. While their business class is much more expensive than their economy class fares, it’s worth comparing to cash fares to be sure you’re getting a decent value.
Qantas: for Emirates
  • The short story: While the award cost here is substantially higher than others included in this sweet-spot post, it may be worth it to those who really want an indulgently long experience in Emirates business class. It is possible to spend upwards of ~30 hours in A380 business class by routing via Dubai (note that some US cities have 777 service, which is likely angled in business class).
  • Miles required: 128,000 miles (170,667 Capital One) one-way in business class between North American cities and those cities served by Emirates in Australia and New Zealand.
  • How to find awards: Search for available space at Qantas.com (you’ll need to create a free Qantas Frequent Flyer account)
  • How to book awards: Book online at Qantas.com.
  • Key warnings: Fuel surcharges are around $300 each way — not cheap, but not prohibitively expensive, either. Choose A380 routes to get a fully-flat aisle access business class seat with a bar at the rear of the plane.

Bottom line

Capital One has really enhanced the value of its program in the past year. While many of the awards above cost a large quantity of Capital One “Miles”, the fact that those “Miles” are earned at a rate of 2 per dollar spent on both the Venture card and the Spark Miles card means that many of these awards are attainable from a spend standpoint despite the large numbers. Hopefully we will continue to see good transfer bonuses that further increase the value of the program.

For sweet spots in other programs, see:

Amex Membership Rewards sweet spots

Chase Ultimate Rewards sweet spots

Citi ThankYou points sweet spots

Marriott Bonvoy airline partner sweet spots

Last updated on September 9th, 2019

About Nick Reyes

Nick Reyes is a (fairly) regular guy with an animalistic passion for maximizing the value of miles and money to travel the world in comfort and style. There is little in life that he loves more than finding a fantastic deal and helping you shop smarter & harder to achieve your travel dreams.

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Wow! Excellent all around reference.
Thanks Nick.
Do you ever sleep? 😉

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Thanks, Nick! Very helpful post.

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How are the fuel surcharges when flying Austrian?

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